Tuesday, November 5, 2013

FCI ART BANK talks about Megan's compensation, free surogacies and free expenses in Mumbai (these are allegations, not proven)



Tuesday, 5 November 2013


MEGAN SAINSBURY MORE LIES AND BULLYING: 

 This is Shilpi Saurabh Kumar from FCI. I know next it is my turn for abuse from Megan Sainsbury the bully of surrogacy community. Mr Saurabh Kumar is education is from DPS one of the best schools in New Delhi and even of he doesn't speak English he understands and reads it perfectly and writes well. He is working with Dr Shivani from before Megan joined Dr Shivani, she has no idea how brick by brick they have raised this organization with all set up equipments staff from which she earned around 600,000 dollars plus cost of two surrogacies and costs in Delhi. Megan trying to say that FCI do not know about finances or IP requests or surrogate payments is just nonsense. I can recall those days when she was in India  She never wanted her surrogate mothers to be very attached with her or babies. Bob was so uncomfortable in front of the surrogates. Suddenly what made her to behave like this? I am surprised! By writing fake statements what she wants to prove?

 she was always telling that Ips should not get too attached and respect surrogate mothers decision and privacy. She always said that some IPs who say like that do it to make themselves feel good or because they feel judement by others.

Any client who wants to share pictures,cards, gifts, finances with their surrogates, they send it to SCI and SCI forward it to FCI and we share it with surrogates. That is the whole procedure. Surrogates don’t have any problem in this as by doing this they can maintain their privacy and confidentiality and at the same time they can know well being of babies. After completing their responsibility being surrogate they are free to live their life as per their choice and they can decide whether they are interested to be in contact with IP or not. After surrogacy surrogate has right to accept or deny. Most of the IPS could be interested to contact their surrogate mothers but all may not be. FCI have same attachment with all surrogate mothers. All are special and important and their emotions too

We have always been honest with our intended parents. We provide correct information which gets verified during the Govt. verification and in interview too, that’s why babies get their visa. We believe in transparent communication. We have an number of IPs can contact to their surrogates through us and if they come India we arrange face to face meeting as per IP request and surrogate’s wish. We do not encourage you Megan to mention my surrogate’s name here in your personal abusive public talks. You are into this profession since so many years how could you forget that. What if surrogate object? Will you be answerable?

For your information after C section its common for all ladies to be on rest for certain time of period. She cannot start going here and there within day or two after delivery. Her care is FCI responsibility.  AS PER YOU MEGAN If surrogate go back her village in all cases after 1-2 days after delivery then how she can sign document related to paper work and how some appears in embassy or FFRO interview. Does it make sense?

Every new parents love to click their pictures with their kids. Megan did the same and nothing is wrong in this. Instead of taking it as emotional thing why she is taking it as commercial stuff.

FCI still on its words that during pregnancy all surrogate lives in surrogate apartments and yes, we 180 apartment approx. But after surrogacy our surrogates are not bound to live at the same address for lifelong. Kim Hendrix also big liar, she introduce herself to all of us as SCI client manager when in Delhi. Same trip she meet other doctors to set up business but not tell us. Lies to Poonam also at time of exit visa. Meeting with other clinic in daytime and dinner with SCI. Lies to clients, US Embassy at baby pick up to get testimonials. So many lies. Megan has big fight with K Hendrix then Megan is suddenly friends with her and they working same clinics now. Kim Hendrix talks about transparency and herself is most non transparent and when she is exposed her husband sending legal threats, lawyer in India lawyer in USA.

There is no comparison between GoodKimH. and Megan. . GoodKimH. is a lady with great patience. GoodKimH comes India almost every year and sometimes earlier, to meet with her surrogate mother. If she doesn’t get her surrogate mothers available in town then she waits for them. Sometimes she waits for a week or so. She loves to spend her full day with her surrogates and kids. She does Photo shoot to make memories for those special moments, which she spent with them.  love and care is unconditional for her surrogates and for their families too.  This is called real bonding. The there is a person like Megan Sainsbury, She abuses FCI on a very festive occasion if they cannot bring surrogate for Megan, which surrogate mother will leave family on festive time?As per Megan needs and demand her surrogate should act. Megan has no patience. Megan forgets what she has been telling IPs for so many years. Megan is not even equal to the dust beneath the feet of GoodKimH.

See how Megan sells her new company-- very easy now that Megan has beautiful babies and so much money from India and has no problems with birth certificate.

I have been to Mumbai twice and Delhi four times in the past 4 years -  is a cess pit compared to Bangkok.
I never thought I would say this, but if I had my time again, and if Thailand would put my name on the baby's birth certificate, I would go to Thailand --

You are not going to encounter.. ie beggars with small babies in their arms knocking at your window while making "feed my baby" signs at you.  

I want to remind Megan how she sent E mail saying megan cannot afford spending money  going to Surrogacy Australia conference because - megan has to feed her family and pay mortgage.  She needs the money for her kids. Megan has told others also about her need for money for her family.
So surrogate agent Megan will do all this for money. All who read her web will understand.


 

 

 
 
 

Trying to get in touch with our surrogates (from Amani and Bob's blog)

Wednesday, October 16, 2013

Trying to get in touch with our surrogates

So many have asked, so few get a result ... ask to be in contact with your surrogate or surrogates, and you get denied. You will get bullshit, you will be told they don't want to get in touch with you, and how dare you ask to bother them.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Megan Sainsbury <megansainsbury@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Subject: rani and mithu



HI all

Can you please give the contact details for Rani and Mithu. 

I have not been able to contact them through the addresses on the surrogacy contract.

It is important for me and Bob, that we can have ongoing communication, for the sake of Toby and Mishali.

Both Rani and Mithu agreed to ongoing contact when we met them, in Delhi, at the time our babies were born.

Thanks

Meg, Bob. Toby and Mishali.



From:  Saurabh Kumar
Subject:  Re: rani and mithu
Date:  15 October 2013 9:35:23 PM AWST
To:  megansainsbury@optusnet.com.au
Cc: 


Hello Megan,

I will start the process.

Meanwhile, please explain in what manner have you tried to contact the Surrogate mothers.

This address is of the main Surrogate home.

Thanks


Saurabh Kumar.


Clearly I must justify my actions in trying to get in touch with Rani and Mithu, never SCI .. unless you do a publicity shoot of your meeting or media.



Hi Saurhab

Thank you for your email, I am really delighted in this time of ugliness you have even bothered to answer.

Rani was not in surrogate accommodation, I have sent money to her in the past few years via SCI, now I doubt she ever got it. This is why I would like to deal with her directly.

Mithhu - the only address i have for her is on the contract and that is the SCi accommodation. I have no reply to a letter and photos I sent over 6 months ago. I know it is unlikely she ever stayed there.

Megan


16 comments:

Anonymous said...
If your surrogates wanted to stay in touch you would of had their details from the beginning! Why try now when you kids sre 3 and over 1.....oh yeah to bring down sci. You said many many many times its a business transaction. Now you change your mind.
Amani (Meg) said...
Thanks for your ill-informed personal opinion anonymous. Toby is 3 years and 3 months of age. When he turned one I asked fro money to be given to his surrogate mother, whether it got there or not, I have no idea because the actual address on the contract is bogus. Mishali is 15 months of age, I have asked SCI repeatedly for access to her, only to be denied. So how about YOu tell me what I have done, and what I have tried to do, and YOU prove your rubbish comment. Please also prove where I have said many many many times its a business transaction. if you want a sensible discussion, email me, otherwise, go to Youtube and be a troll there.
Anonymous said...
have you seen this? http://delhidaydreams.blogspot.com.au
Amani (Meg) said...
Yup, it's Karen Lynagh from Ireland who works for SCI, has done so for over a year, but posts as a happy SCI client in various forums, mainly Fertility Friends in UK. Did a bunch of invoices for her to make sure she got paid.
Choco Mayan said...
I don't understand why they don't let you keep in touch with your surrogates. Are they hiding something that you are not supposed to know or find out?
In addition, I think Aussies' gov needs surro mom's consent for passport renewals, if you can't locate the surro mom, does this mean you can't renew the passports for your little ones?
Amani (Meg) said...
apparently surrogates will exploit IPs for money. That's what Shivani told me. There is a form B9 or B -something, that you can complete and state you tried but cannot get in touch with your surrogate. I guess a lot of people will be using that.
Choco Mayan said...
Hard to imagine how a poor indian woman can exploit me when she is 7000+ miles away. Sure, she can use guilt and feel bad tactics, but at the end of the day, if the IP don't wanna give her any money, there is nothing much she can do. On the other hand, if I am lucky enough to become a mom again with the help of a surrogate, I don't think I would mind to send her gifts and some small sums from time to time.
Anonymous said...
Perhaps the surrogates just wish to move on with their lives? Quite understandable. Emotional attachments can be quite draining...
Amani (Meg) said...
true, and that would be fair enough
Anonymous said...
This concerned me as well. When we met our surro mom before we left, we gave her cash and Rachna was guarding her like a hawk - they must be hiding something.
andy said...
I also was back and forth on the decision of to meet or not to meet. At the time, you go with what your gut tells you. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't change your mind.
Crystal said...
I am not sure why this Karen person has me on her mind. Someone sent me a comment that she wrote in 2009 regarding me on a now closed forum. It certainly looks like the pot calling the kettle black...It is okay for her to be paid for her work for referrals but no one else? I guess Meghan does now what is underneath this rock!

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karen



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I would give my left arm to have gone through any experience with Shivani because at the end of the day - SHIVANI gave you and others your baby!!!!!!! THAT IS THE ISSUE!!!!!

And equally there have been many who did get pregnant and as with every surrogacy clinic there is good and bad. However, it is up to each of us to look at the facts and go with our own beliefs. Many of us have looked at other clinics who are successful but there have been couples who did not have success and became very anti those clinics. That seems to be the way it goes with surrogacy. If all goes well they are the best clinic in the world, however if something goes awry then there are problems with that clinic, etc....

When I first began speaking with you you had issues with cleanliness, etc at Dr Patel's. Others had issues with SI that is why others were looking for alternatives to those clinics. Basically, what I am saying is that all people need to read EVERYONE's story and then decide on their own who is the best clinic for them to work with.

You look at Amani as Shivani's henchwoman- I however have found her very helpful and supportive. You bash Amani as having an incentive. However, You also receive a consulting fee for sending patients to certain clinics as does Crystal---that is your decision and also your incentive.

I have spoke to quite a few people whom are home with their babies safe and sound and cannot thank Shivani enough for what she has done for them. Dolly Rocker the main thing is do not take my opinion or her opinion as gospel ---look at all the clinics out there and all the blogs out there and decide from there. Contact people and see what their experiences are and then make a decision.

hope your little one is doing well - you are one of the lucky ones whose dream came to fruition. The rest of us are still waiting.

Best wishes to you Dolly Rocker and others looking into this process.

karen


SCI Journey said...
Dear Meg
It's Meegan from Tassie, and we have 2 perfect SCI babies to which you helped plan and assisted along the way. Meg, all the issues you have discovered, we knew about anyway. Or at the very least, assumed. To be honest, it was not feasible to think that Dr Shivani could afford to house our surrogate mothers in a 'hostel' with a hundred other surrogate mothers. Nor was it to take as fact that just about everyone's surrogate mother had been diagnosed with 'gestational diabetes' which required insulin that was 10 times more expensive than it is here in Australia!
Nor was it to have to pay for 'post c-section complications' when the day that apparently happened we were with our surrogate mother at the SCI office.
I am pleased that you have discovered these things and have confirmed what probably a lot of people already thought.
The thing is, would we have still gone ahead had we known these things prior to starting our journey with SCI? Yes. We were desperate to have a family and this appeared to be our only option. SCI know we are all vulnerable and desperate and perhaps they use this to their advantage. While this seems terrible by western standards, we also need to remember that we are engaging a clinic in a 3rd world country, that operates very differently to our own countries.

I would love to be able to stay in contact with our surrogate mothers, but we were told at the beginning that this is not possible. Whether this is fair or not, it is not up to us. It does not mean that we do not think of them all the time.

The thing I tell IP's if they ever ask - is to try and enjoy the journey for what it is. Don't get caught up in the politics of it all and don't make it about the money. Children are priceless. Have fun in the beautiful country that India is, try and focus on the positive and make it a memorable experience. And then if you are lucky enough to have a baby at the end of it like we were - twice - you will have a wonderful story to tell them. I will hold India in my heart forever - and no amount of 'unforeseen expenses' can take that away from me.

Love Meegan
Amani (Meg) said...
Hi Meegan, Nice to hear from you. I must have been the only one to know not all surrogates were in accommodation, feel a wee bit deceived as I was told they had 180 apartments for surrogates. I don't like the deception that goes on, and I won't promote it, especially terrible success rates. I do't know if it will be any better for people elsewhere, but I guess we all have to try and hope for the best (and have very big budgets) ... have seen too many people run out of money and have to quit. Those of us who have our children have been very very fortunate.
Anonymous said...
Don't the surrogates have a right to privacy? Who is an Intended Parent to demand their personal information?
Amani (Meg) said...
Yes, of course they have the right to privacy. That's not the issue in my case.

FCIArtbank - is Fertility Care India - ART Bank

Sunday, November 3, 2013

contacting our kids surrogate mums not going to happen



In response to http://fciartbank.blogspot.com.au

FYI - FCIArtbank - is Fertility Care India - ART Bank. Saurhab Kumar owns this agency and he has been involved with providing surrogates and egg donors to SCI Healthcare since its incepetion, 2009. I met him on a few occasions and he struck me as a lovely and kind man with the women who are recruited as surrogates and egg donors though his agency. I personally saw him with our surrogate Rani, who carried our Toby, at our final scan in June 2010. He was just so lovely in every way. Why he would now let down surrogates and donors and parents, is beyond me, I guess too much money makes everyone a grub.



From Saurhab's blog written in his own words:

Do Good and Cast in River ( Don't Expect Anything In Return) :: Neki Kar Dariya Mein Daal

I have been quiet for so long but now I wish to make some clarifications. I know that I will be very badly attacked and all cut and paste and put on website and all bad words said which is why many people may stay quiet on Megan Sainsbury. 


 
I will always defend myself and defend my family. One day when my kids are old enough to understand how they were brought into his world, this blog will have disappeared. If it ever surfaces, in any way, shape or form, I will honestly be able to tell them how they were born, and if they ever want to contact Rani or Mithu, I will honestly be able to say to them that the clinic who created them - SCI Healthcare - that I did so much to promote and support, including its surrogacy agent - YOU SAURHAB, got in the way of caring about Toby and Mishali's birth mothers and refused to do anything to foster a potential relationship between my beautiful children and the women who carried them into life.

 I run an ART Bank from more than 4 years. One of our team member  Megan left us few months back. She worked with us more than 3 years and during her working period she blessed with 2 cute babies via surrogacy (God Bless them). Her surrogates visit us  and I speak to them on phone, they  ask about the babies and about her. I always praise her. I have very good thought for her.


If you talk to our surrogate mothers and praise me, then why is it so hard for you to give me their contact details, or for you to ask them to contact me. That is all I wanted. i would love to be in touch with Rani and Mithu, but SCI has always prevented this, and now you are doing the same. You know that the address on every surrogacy contract is the accommodation at SCI, and you and I both know that Rani never stayed there, and I am okay with that. Mithus, I don't know. I can tell you, I have sent a letter to that address to Rani and one to Mithu, and there has been no response. This is why I have asked you to try and contavt them for me.

 

Now I am ashamed to tell them what Megan has done which is publicly writing that her babies are from a cess pit.


I don't think you are ashamed at all Saurhab. You know the truth - in no email or any blog post have I ever stated that my babies comes from a cess pit. Where did you get these words from? You did not get them from me. My babies are not from a cess pit, this is not something I would ever think much less say.  The term cess pit has never entered my mind, YOU brought up the words cess pit, not me. So please, give me some written proof where I have stated I think my surrogates mothers and my babies have come from a Cess Pit. If you are going to make such disgusting claims in public, you should back them up. Please provide some proof, and if you can't, then please big man enough to apologise to me.
 The very sad thing about you claiming this Saurhab, is that you state in your public blog that you "had" to tell our surrogates Rani and Mithu, that I said as such. You know I did not, and even if I did, would you care so little about surrogates that you would pass this on to them?  


We deal with number of surrogates and having rented 170+ apartments and according  our need, where surrogates live during their pregnancy. 

Back in 2009 when our blessed Rani carried out beloved Toby, I was told after the fact that she lived in her own home This came from Shivani's own mouth, I was fine with that! Now Shivani tells people "do you really think we have 180 apartments for pregnancy surrogates (as promoted by SCI) Add to this vraious embassies, UK in particular, trying to track down surrogate mothers through the SCi accommodation address, well when those surrogates actually go to  give their statement to Uk High Commission, they do state they never stayed in the apartments. It is actually okay that they don't all stay there, but please be honest with intended parents about who is in accommodation and who is not. 


 As we know that anytime IP may have need to contact their surrogate mother (may be for legal purpose or may be to know their well being) so for contract, we provide our main home address.  On our mail IP can do correspondence even after long time of delivery and we always revert them accordingly. We understand feeling of all IPs for their surrogate mothers.


As you know i have been with SCI for some time, anytime anyone wanted to get in contact with surrogate mother, they were denied.This is fact. You cannot deny this fact. Many people do want to be in contat with the amazing woman who gave birth to their children, as I do but we are all prevented, apart from a special few where they are given full access if they do a nice photo opportunity to promote SCI.  Saurhab, think what you like, but SCI/Shivani does not agree with contact with surrogate mothers, for whatever her reason is. It is just sad for parents they can't do this, while some can if they give back to SCI. I can tell you at least 20 cases of cleints wanting to be in contact with their surrogate mothers, all were denied. I don't even think you are aware of this, and I think if you were, maybe you would facilitiate this, but SCI doesn't not support this. Everyone who has emailed me in the past 4 years is told, "Your surrogate does not need to be disturbed". That is okay, but please don't bullshit about everyone being able to have contact with their surrogate mother. 

 

Now Megan has doubt whether her surrogate has ever been stayed on that given address or not. During Her pregnancy she never bothered but now suddenly she believed rumors and spreads rumors without any basis and need for contact has been occurred.

Which pregnancy is this? Toby's with Rani, or Mithu's with Mishali? Yes, I have tried, and you have no proof that I haven't. If you really cared about surrogates you supposedly care for, you would know I gave gifts, and money to Ranbi when we tried for Mishali in November 2011, approx AUD $1800 was to go to Rani, I have all the records, would you seriously like to challenge me about this? We also gave money in the same amount to our beloved egg donor R - did you know about this? I suspect you don't. Go and check this out with Gaurav, and if you don't believe me, then please be honest and God fearing enough to find put the facts I have the facts in invoices and emails to prove this, but I guess you don't want to open your eyes to the fact SCI never sent this money to Rani or to our donor R.   

 

Never bother for surrogate who miscarried but when another IP met her she is bothered. She talks about her on the blog with no respect for surrogate or for the IPs .

Let's get a few facts into the picture here and now: I can only assume from this comment you are talking about Santosh. Santosh was our first surrogate back in November, 2009 when we had transfer to two surogates, Santosh and Rani. The pregnancy with Santosh didn't continue at 7 weeks. We were very upset and at that time were very concerned for Santosh as we knew she had given so much out of her life to help us.
Bob and I actually never met either Santosh or Rani face to face, as is the same for many people doing surrogacy in India or wherever. One thing Saurhab cannot state is that I was never bothered by the loss at 7 weeks, for the baby or for Santosh. If you would like to check with the SCI client who had her baby with the help if Santosh, if she bothers to remember she actually had her three children through surrogacy india, and allowed her face to be plastered all over SCI billboards and signs and on media, she may well attest that we had many phone conversations about Santosh, and in those conversation, I expressed by concern for Santosh, I wanted Santosh to feel okay and I most certainly sent many emails about my concern for her. 
 


 We did so much for her to make her family complete and after making her dream come true, now I am getting such kind of outcome. 


You are getting no kind of outcome ...  I asked for contact with Rani and Mithu, I asked this of Shivani well before I asked you. Shivani denied me, and you deny me. In denying me, you deny Toby and Mishali. And perhaps you also deny Rani and Mithu. Yes you made our family complete, but please ask what Rani and Mithu want. Only you can do that. 



From which organization she has got her bundle of joy suddenly that organization has got so many faults in it, because she is no more associated with that organization and because now she believed all rumors spread by Kim Hendrix and others.  Kim Hendrix telling all lies that he surrogate did not stay at home with FCI supervision. Kim also telling lies to us that she is case manager for SCI when she come to India two times this year. Also telling this after she goes back to USA with her babies. Also telling same to US Embassy and many patients. (see her public post that she stopped since Jan 2013 to work with SCI. On purpose hide this from everyone even after go back to USA with babies), now Kim Hendrix husband sending legal threats.

I have no business arrangement with Kim Hendrix or others. Why you bring others into my own personal need to contact Rani and Mithu is beyond my understanding. Say what you like about others, it has no bearing on the fact that I have asked you to put me in touch with Mithus and Rani. If they do not eant this, then I am okay with that. But given your behaviour I doubt you wold bother to contact either of them and tell them we would like to send siple photos and a card. 

We have no. of patients who had never faced any problem to communicate with their surrogate mothers after delivery. It is my responsibility too.


Well this is absolute rubbish Saurhab, perhaps SCI did not tell you of the many clients who wanted to stay in touch with their surrogates. No-one is allowed to contact their surrogate mothers after birth. In fact, the usual line from SCi is "your surrogate has gone back to her village" .. after a C-section, yeah right, 1-2 days after baby was born? What a load of crap.

We have another IP from the same country. She asked us to meet with her surrogate mother after two and half year of her delivery and we organized their meeting. If we can organize meeting with her surrogate then how our ex team member can claim that we have no contact with our surrogate mothers. They used the photos in a surrogate mother study so Megan is very angry and sudden need to contact her surrogate has occurred. 
It is heartbreaking and disappointing when you do everything and in revert instead of support you get nasty remarks from the other side.


Yes and we all know who this parent is, Kim H. from AUstralia. On all the bill boards and promotional material SCI pumps out to promote the relationships between parents and surrogates. What a load of tripe. I know she was most likely being supportive of SCI in doing this, but I really hopes she now knows she is the only one to have long term contact with her surrogate, as we discussed in emails in the past.

2 comments:

jon said...
While I agree that there should be "distance" with the surrogates mostly because of privacy reasons and cultural differences, I also condemn the attitude of most clinics (actually all of them in India) who oppose any contact whatsoever purely for their own selfish reasons and protection (protection of clinics that is and fear that IPs will discover what really happened during the surrogate's experience, housing, compensation, whether hospitalizations occurred or not, etc)

What we did with our surrogate is we asked her to open a bank account IN HER NAME, not her husbands or anyone else's, and also to send a copy of her PAN card (national ID card) so we could verify the bank account was legitimate and we routinely wire her money without getting our clinic involved. They don't want to be involved really so we dont' want them involved anymore either, fair enough, it is a business transaction after all and they provided the "service". They are not responsible for residual communication. This, I'm afraid to say, is all that most IPs can hope for, sending the surrogate some money now and then with the hope that she is getting it and using it for her personal needs or important family needs. I'm hoping that your clinic will at least help you setup this sort of arrangement and not act as an intermediary for money transfers (not a good idea)

PS - we've asked our surrogate to send some sort of acknowledgment by email that the funds have been received but we never do get this verification, even tho the clinic is not involved. Not an easy issue by any stretch; one can only hope that the funds are being used to alleviate someone's poverty
crystal said...
I have always been very vocal on this side of the subject, and my personal opinion is that I am not for intended parents pursing this option. From my years in the business, I see what has happens on the other side as well. Many times intended parents are barraged with telephone calls from the surrogates family or extended family requesting more money. Often times they are relentless at achieving the goal of getting more money. I have had clients then go back and complain to the doctor, to intercede on their behalf when often it has been months since the doctor last saw the surrogate. It is a touchy area. When our son, Mark saw his surrogate a few years ago she referred to herself as his other mother, and I can tell you that I was personally caught off guard, and I was glad that he was to young to comprehend what had transpired. I do tell my clients not to try to pursue a relationship, if they do it is on them. The language barrier alone generally prohibits this process from fully happening in the long run.

While noble, the situations generally fizzle out, or do not end well.