Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Further update, MAY 2013 STATS - Why I left SCI Healthcare, Dr Shivani, Delhi India
So while we're talking about transparency, Karen Lynagh over at Drippy Delhi Dreamers or some such thing is a client manager with SCI, has been for well over a year. One of the last communications I had with her was invoicing Vishal for her CM work to ensure she was paid. Seems my stats were good enough to present at Surrogacy Australia conference in 2012, but now they are simply "Megan's stats" that have no accuracy. I left in May, of course I have stats for Mar/April/and most for May. I did stay in touch with clients. She's also posting on Fertility friends UK forum as Kare72 posing as a happy IP clearly to shill for clients. I don't have a business partner, I am a sole operator, odd she knows so much about my business structure. If you're going to post defamatory comments, people will take legal action against you, not me, I don't have the money. If you're going to claim business partnerships and drag two agents into a mess that does not involve them because Shivani happens to be paranoid, perhaps you should not believe all she tells you. And s for minimising your role at SCI, I did your invoices Karen. I have your referral list, well over 20 clients on it. It's fine to have clients and be paid for it, if you do some work. It's not okay to abuse others who have always been transparent, even to their own detriment. If you're going to make public claims about me staling clients, you better have seen every single email I sent to SCI clients when I left, all stating that I had left, how did their cycle go, if they need anything not sure if I could help, but would always be there. I built relationship with clients, of course I was going to say goodbye. For the record, how many clients do I have from SCI? One. How many clients do I have? More than enough. There are none so blind so those who will not see.
I never felt I would ever have to write this blog post. I know a lot of you love her, I did too, but no more. I decided to leave comments open, I have had many interesting comments, to this blog and many emails to me personally. Thanks to those who have supported me in making this very hard decision to go public, it was your encouragement that allowed me to do this. To the trolls, (20% of the comments and no emails direct) if you want to send personal attacks, 1. didn't read your comment in full, first negative word I binned it, and 2. if you really want to be part of the solution and not the problem, you have my email address.
I am going to make a post to answer some of the questions as to my motivation as to why i wrote this post, that is for another post. Please keep in mind, I don't need to justify myself, but I will, and only because you asked.
I worked with SCI Healthcare from 2009, til early 2013. When I started working with this doctor, she was brilliant. My babies Toby and Mishali were born through her medical care, and forever I will be happy about this. Grateful? Now? No.To Rani and Mithu who carried my babies? Yes, To Shivani? No, Why no? Because repeated requests to be in touch with Rani and Mithu, I have been denied.
In March 2013 I left SCI Healthcare because of numerous reports of over-charging. I left because of the incredibly high rate of surrogate hospitalisations, which gouged clients for money, but for which were never receipted to the client. I left because I did not believe SCI was actually doing FET for clients who were gay. single de facto, and I left because they were quoting pregnancy stats they I personally collated over years, that they relied upon to bring clients in, that were no longer true. I left because they were telling clients their surogates lived in accommodation, when they didn't, I left because they charged clients for services never given, and I left because when anyone quesstioned an account, or a medivsl report, or dared to ask about the progress of their pregnancy, Shivani personally got involved and was abusive to clients, accused clients of not caring about their surrogates, and then I had to deal with the emotions of the shattered IPs.
SCI Healthcare and Dr Shivani Sachdev Gour, her husband Dr Vishal Dutt Gour, and their primary client manager, Margarida Maia, South Australia, are now all resting on their laurels. They are feeding you bullshit. It's great to see the babies being born, and promoting the positive, but where are the new pregnancy announcements? When will the baby births run out? Very soon.
Here is the truth about SCI Healthcare's actual stats now, not the old ones I collated from 2009, which I was very proud of. To be updated while I count the actual cycle numbers.
I never felt I would ever have to write this blog post. I know a lot of you love her, I did too, but no more. I decided to leave comments open, I have had many interesting comments, to this blog and many emails to me personally. Thanks to those who have supported me in making this very hard decision to go public, it was your encouragement that allowed me to do this. To the trolls, (20% of the comments and no emails direct) if you want to send personal attacks, 1. didn't read your comment in full, first negative word I binned it, and 2. if you really want to be part of the solution and not the problem, you have my email address.
I am going to make a post to answer some of the questions as to my motivation as to why i wrote this post, that is for another post. Please keep in mind, I don't need to justify myself, but I will, and only because you asked.
I worked with SCI Healthcare from 2009, til early 2013. When I started working with this doctor, she was brilliant. My babies Toby and Mishali were born through her medical care, and forever I will be happy about this. Grateful? Now? No.To Rani and Mithu who carried my babies? Yes, To Shivani? No, Why no? Because repeated requests to be in touch with Rani and Mithu, I have been denied.
In March 2013 I left SCI Healthcare because of numerous reports of over-charging. I left because of the incredibly high rate of surrogate hospitalisations, which gouged clients for money, but for which were never receipted to the client. I left because I did not believe SCI was actually doing FET for clients who were gay. single de facto, and I left because they were quoting pregnancy stats they I personally collated over years, that they relied upon to bring clients in, that were no longer true. I left because they were telling clients their surogates lived in accommodation, when they didn't, I left because they charged clients for services never given, and I left because when anyone quesstioned an account, or a medivsl report, or dared to ask about the progress of their pregnancy, Shivani personally got involved and was abusive to clients, accused clients of not caring about their surrogates, and then I had to deal with the emotions of the shattered IPs.
SCI Healthcare and Dr Shivani Sachdev Gour, her husband Dr Vishal Dutt Gour, and their primary client manager, Margarida Maia, South Australia, are now all resting on their laurels. They are feeding you bullshit. It's great to see the babies being born, and promoting the positive, but where are the new pregnancy announcements? When will the baby births run out? Very soon.
Here is the truth about SCI Healthcare's actual stats now, not the old ones I collated from 2009, which I was very proud of. To be updated while I count the actual cycle numbers.
MARCH 2013 - Total cycles: 46
Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 24
Positive - 5
Negative - 16
Chemical - 3
Total FET from egg donor cycle - 18
Positive - 5
Negative - 8
Chemical - 5
Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 3
Positive -
Negative - 3
Chemical
Total FET from self-cycle: 1
Positive
Negative - 1
Chemical
APRIL, 2013 - 26 cycles
Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 6
Positive - 1
Negative –3
Chemical –2
Total FET from egg donor cycle: 16
Positive – 2
Negative –14
Chemical
Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 3
Positive - 1
Negative - 2
Chemical
Total FET from self-cycle: 1
Positive
Negative - 1
Chemical
MAY 2013
Total : 38
Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 12
Positive - 4
Negative - 8
Chemical – 0
Miscarriage - 2
Total FET from egg donor cycle - 14
Positive - 4
Negative - 10
Chemical - 1
Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 4
Positive - 2
Negative - 2
Chemical
Results not known: 8
58 comments:
Ian and David
Kim
I have twins that were born via a surrogate in the US and reading surrogacy blogs has always been an interest of mine.
I was always suspicious when reading the blogs about the continuous supposed hospitalisation of the surrogates, and the exorbitant NICU fees.
Unfortunately these clinics and doctors thrive on greed, and they are getting greedier and greedier and finding loopholes and ways to extract more money from clients holding their dreams and babies 'hostage' and to ransom.
Shame on you Shivani and these clinics for cashing in on the vulnerability of society.
Good on you Meg for disabling hopefully some future potential clients and encouraging them to look elsewhere.
I suppose, fortunately, GOI blocked me from forking over everything I have to this clinic back in January.
This so sad.
OMG, Where they really live?
Sad to read this.
We are very grateful for all of your assistance to us during our cycles.
Best wishes
Chris
I am certainly not saying everyone is corrupt and bad, not at all, there are some good options for surrogacy in India. There are just some things to be aware of when choosing a clinic, one being surrogate hospitalisation, the other being success rates. Everyone sould ask for proof of success rates, the number of cycles, and ask how the statistics are collected, and how often.
Re: surrogate accommodation - I was told they had 180 apartments for surrogates, another agent told "do you really think I have 180 apartments for surrogates?" It's okay for a surrogate to not be in accommodation provided by the clinic, but clients should be aware their surrogate may not be, and if they really want this - and not everyone does - then tell the clinic you want this.
"May 2013
FET cycles, all negative
Fresh egg donor cycles, 15% positive ongoing pregancy"
We had our first FET in May. 4 embryos were thawed, 2 survived, 2 were implanted, and we are far along with twins now.
SCI had a lot of success, and now they don't. End of story, I am not denying previous success and I have made that perfectly clear in my post.
This is about those that come after us.
If you think I have dirty play, then tell me why, emil me tell me why you thought I was just the bees knees, and why you think I now suck. I guess you don't have to stomach for that, so up to you. My lines of communication are always open.
BTW, I still work with India, just not SCI.
To Megan - I agree. If you had an axe to grind you would have done so before now. Something very obviously changed for you to write this post, whether that be things not adding up for you (as information was withheld) or IPs sharing more (as you're no longer with SCI). Having known you for a long time now, I know you want others to experience what you have - and nothing more. It's not about money. It's about the pure joy we feel meeting our baby / babies and watching them grow after years and years of negotiating slippery slopes to get there. It would be great to see the SCI birth stats in early 2014 prove Meg wrong, and I'm sure Meg would agree with this!! Will also be interesting to see how Dr Patel's stats change as a result of the purpose built one-stop-shop being constructed in Anand. Super clever to build apartments for baby pickup into your new clinic and hospital.
Lisa
Basically, we can plug the cash flow stream, and since most of the payment is made at week 28-32. The months of Dec and Jan will be tough months unless there is an extreme rebound in month of June, July, which I doubt as I haven't read a lot of BFP news lately. When a biz is getting really tough months, it can cut cost or try to find ways to increase revenue. Common sense!
However, after 2 failed IVFs in the States and my RE telling me I would NEVER have a bio baby, I researched India. Our first experience--not with SCI--was less than spectacular. We lost our baby, and later found our doctor did not have the expertise advertised. This is not even to mention the alleged theft of IPs payments facilitated through a medical tourism agency.
My fourth fresh cycle and fifth cycle were successful with SCI. Whatever the case may be, I am thankful. I would not be a mother without the help of Dr. Shivani and SCI. I too questioned the cost of everything, but at the end of the day, I cannot put a price tag on having my daughter.
I will never forget you with all your help, I am glad I have my daughter. thats all that matters to me yeah I was a lucky one as you know, but i would have never done it with out you. I love you hope all is going well.
From: Megan Sainsbury <megansainsbury@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Subject: rani and mithu
Hello Megan,
Clearly I must justify my actions in trying to get in touch with Rani and Mithu, never SCI .. unless you do a publicity shoot of your meeting or media.
Hi Saurhab
In addition, I think Aussies' gov needs surro mom's consent for passport renewals, if you can't locate the surro mom, does this mean you can't renew the passports for your little ones?
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE* Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:25 am
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I would give my left arm to have gone through any experience with Shivani because at the end of the day - SHIVANI gave you and others your baby!!!!!!! THAT IS THE ISSUE!!!!!
And equally there have been many who did get pregnant and as with every surrogacy clinic there is good and bad. However, it is up to each of us to look at the facts and go with our own beliefs. Many of us have looked at other clinics who are successful but there have been couples who did not have success and became very anti those clinics. That seems to be the way it goes with surrogacy. If all goes well they are the best clinic in the world, however if something goes awry then there are problems with that clinic, etc....
When I first began speaking with you you had issues with cleanliness, etc at Dr Patel's. Others had issues with SI that is why others were looking for alternatives to those clinics. Basically, what I am saying is that all people need to read EVERYONE's story and then decide on their own who is the best clinic for them to work with.
You look at Amani as Shivani's henchwoman- I however have found her very helpful and supportive. You bash Amani as having an incentive. However, You also receive a consulting fee for sending patients to certain clinics as does Crystal---that is your decision and also your incentive.
I have spoke to quite a few people whom are home with their babies safe and sound and cannot thank Shivani enough for what she has done for them. Dolly Rocker the main thing is do not take my opinion or her opinion as gospel ---look at all the clinics out there and all the blogs out there and decide from there. Contact people and see what their experiences are and then make a decision.
hope your little one is doing well - you are one of the lucky ones whose dream came to fruition. The rest of us are still waiting.
Best wishes to you Dolly Rocker and others looking into this process.
karen
It's Meegan from Tassie, and we have 2 perfect SCI babies to which you helped plan and assisted along the way. Meg, all the issues you have discovered, we knew about anyway. Or at the very least, assumed. To be honest, it was not feasible to think that Dr Shivani could afford to house our surrogate mothers in a 'hostel' with a hundred other surrogate mothers. Nor was it to take as fact that just about everyone's surrogate mother had been diagnosed with 'gestational diabetes' which required insulin that was 10 times more expensive than it is here in Australia!
Nor was it to have to pay for 'post c-section complications' when the day that apparently happened we were with our surrogate mother at the SCI office.
I am pleased that you have discovered these things and have confirmed what probably a lot of people already thought.
The thing is, would we have still gone ahead had we known these things prior to starting our journey with SCI? Yes. We were desperate to have a family and this appeared to be our only option. SCI know we are all vulnerable and desperate and perhaps they use this to their advantage. While this seems terrible by western standards, we also need to remember that we are engaging a clinic in a 3rd world country, that operates very differently to our own countries.
I would love to be able to stay in contact with our surrogate mothers, but we were told at the beginning that this is not possible. Whether this is fair or not, it is not up to us. It does not mean that we do not think of them all the time.
The thing I tell IP's if they ever ask - is to try and enjoy the journey for what it is. Don't get caught up in the politics of it all and don't make it about the money. Children are priceless. Have fun in the beautiful country that India is, try and focus on the positive and make it a memorable experience. And then if you are lucky enough to have a baby at the end of it like we were - twice - you will have a wonderful story to tell them. I will hold India in my heart forever - and no amount of 'unforeseen expenses' can take that away from me.
Love Meegan